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May 24, 2006

Enough…I’m Through Listening To Anti-Cape Wind Rhetoric

by at 2:21 pm.

Apologies in advance…I’m going to be a bit harsh in this post. Because I’ve had it up to here with what I have come to see as plain, old, unthinking rhetoric about Cape Wind from the NIMBY-pamby types out there.

I tried so hard to see all sides of this issue. For all my partisan biases, I do realize there are lots of sides to any argument. But the main advocate on the internet for the anti-Cape Wind crowd, Cape Cod Living, has shone a remarkable ability to say the same thing over and over again with, near as I can tell, little to back them up. They also have come onto this blog, and others, commenting even in non-Cape-Wind related threads (such as my Lt Gov Forum post) to plant their rhetoric where it isn’t really welcome. Click for the rest of the post:

It’s not like these people haven’t admitted to NIMBYism. These two bloggers primarily talk to themselves on their own blog, spouting all sorts of what appears to be nonsensical hit pieces. Really, you would think Jim Gordon was the devil incarnate from reading their blog. Why don’t I believe them? Because it looks, feels, smells, and tastes like rotted, stale rhetoric. I’d like to believe I’ve honed my bull detector over the years (why else did I refuse to vote for Nader in 2000, saw Bush coming from a mile away, and was very unhappy to have Kerry as our nominee in 2004?). I know that most corporations will try to get away with as much as possible, but for heaven’s sake. They make this guy out to be worse than Ken Lay. Or Dick Cheney!

Gordon put his project out past the Mass-owned waters into Federal ocean, which apparently offends people because Massachusetts has no say. Are we so sure that wasn’t the right thing to do? First, it puts the windmills out so far you can barely see them, so I have been told. Second, as this is a for-profit venture, I would hope this would be the optimal place for generating as much electricity via wind (a constant and steady enough breeze, optimal conditions). Or else the guy is not only the devil, he’s a bad businessman for not picking the best place for the project. Good lord. And this crap about “it won’t benefit the Cape.” No, the electricity generated will go into the Mass grid. Are Cape Codders so selfish that they would not like to see the rest of Massachusetts benefit? Another thing they get their hate on is that it’s “heavily subsidized,” Of course the project is subsidized. Until such a time as renewable projects like this one are commonplace, the cost is expensive per windmill. We need subsidies to encourage energy producers to move off of lucrative oil and into non-carbon energy. If you want to cut subsidies to power corporations, cut the oil, gas, and coal subsidies. And if we wait until “the market forces us” off of carbon fuels, it’ll be too late - there will be devastating economic and environmental consequences. Which the Cape will bear the brunt of.

Then, there’s Cape Cod Living’s newest post about the just-proposed second wind farm project at Buzzards Bay - which is just a-ok with them, as it’s on the South Shore and not the Cape. So obviously, the real problem Codders have with Cape Wind is pure NIMBYism, by their own admission. If NIMBY were the only arbiter of what projects go forward, we’d never build jails or low-income housing or halfway houses.

So what is my point in harshing on Cape Cod Living? Well, it’s that in the end, these people appear really interested in shooting themselves in the proverbial foot. Gander at the right here for what at what their precious Cape shoreline will look like with an 8 meter rise in sea level (click to see a larger version - thanks to sco for the link). They should be scrambling to vet projects like Cape Wind, because the Cape, and yes, the North and South Shores, Boston, and the entire freaking seaboard, stands to lose if the sea levels rise. So what if you are upset about a thumbs’-width of ocean view. What sort of vista will you have from your over-priced backyard when it’s under water?

If the Buzzards Bay proposal opponents (and there will be opponents) follow the model of Cape Cod, if everyone everywhere shut their eyes and NIMBY’ed every project which is supposed to help move energy production forward to a carbonless system, you can kiss the Cape goodbye. So which do you want? An imperfect project 4+ miles out on your ocean (which by the way has the blessing of environmental groups like the NRDA, Sierra Club, and the Audubon Society) by a guy you seem to love to hate, or to lose your whole investment in your precious plots of Cape land in the next 50 to 100 years?

The more Massachusetts appears to favor Cape Wind, the more desperate the rhetoric these people produce, on their blog and elsewhere. They’re entitled to their opinion. I’m entitled to call them out on their hollow arguments.

And stop spamming my blog, while you’re at it.

48 Responses to “Enough…I’m Through Listening To Anti-Cape Wind Rhetoric”

  1. Laura Says:

    Here! Here! I don’t have anything to add other than you took the word out of mouth, Lynn.

  2. massmarrier Says:

    They’ve gone way off the edge of the world. I’m with you. Obsession is an okay perfume, but not a good mindset. Marry in Massachusetts will cover the topic only as germane to the candidates and larger renewable-energy issues.

  3. Tim Little Says:

    I don’t know…. I think the Cape would make a rather nice archipelago, don’t you?

    I’m not sure what the big deal is with windfarms anyway. Sam Kelley says they look “surreal” in the fog.

    Seriously, though, considering what we pay to subsidize the fossil fuel industry (http://www.grist.org/advice/ask/2005/08/03/umbra-oil/), I have no problem with subsidizing renewable energy initiatives — especially, as Lynne says, to help get a naescent industry off the ground.

    The bottom line is that we need renewable energy sources, and as far as wind power goes, there are limited options as to where such developments can happen. Cape Codders should be proud to be the vanguard of renewable energy in the state. As DP and others have pointed out, renewable energy needs to be one of the building blocks of the Massachusetts economy, and it’s in our *collective* best interest to support projects such as Cape WInd.

    And with that, I’ve been long-winded enough. (Just trying to keep up w. Mr. Lynne on the Funny Meter.)

  4. Walter Brooks Says:

    Love your blog. Write something for us. (Contact me and we can exchange numbers, etc.)
    It’s wonderful knowing others can understand what we’re going through here with the haters and NUMBYs.

  5. Dona Tracy Says:

    If you do write something for Walter make sure he pays you well. :)

  6. David Says:

    “NIMBY-pamby” - I LOVE that! Did you just make that up?

  7. mark Says:

    Thank you !

  8. Capeinsider Says:

    Yeah! - Very well put! We actually should approve both wind farms and make the Cape a net exporter of energy!

  9. Ken Says:

    We have a Cape house on Buzzards Bay, and I still support both Cape Wind projects. I don’t really see what’s so awful about seeing some windmills out on the water. We can already see sails, lighthouses, large ships as they pass by, etc. Personally, I think it could even improve the view. It’s just another interesting thing to look at out on the horizon.

  10. Dona Tracy Says:

    These things will not be passing by! They will be there like power lines and telephone poles only out in the water.

  11. Lynne Says:

    LOL yeah David, right out of my own fevered brain.

    This was one of those posts I started writing the night before in my head trying to get to sleep.

    Given how freakin’ late we all got home after the dKos event, I almost would have prefered the sleep. ;)

  12. Dan MacNeil Says:

    Over at the rich people’s blog Somebody remarked:

    Never mind that Hyannis has a lower per capita than her city of Lowell.

    Comparing
    Census info for Hyannis zip code: 02601
    to my Lowell Zip code it turns out that downtown Lowell has a per capital income of $19,453 and downtown Hyannis has a per capita income of $18,178.

    So sure for some measures, 01852 in Lowell is probably slightly wealthier than 02601 in Hyannis. For others like the number of houses worth between 500,000 and 999,000 it is not. (6 vs 38)

  13. Lynne Says:

    Good catch, Dan, and good point. Also, I never once used the word “rich people” in my post. In fact, methinks someone is a little over-sensitive…

    You don’t gotta be rich to be NIMBY…

  14. -b Says:

    Bravo Lynne for this post!!!

    Besides Ted Kennedy and his family’s estate I really don’t understand how one could oppose this project…

    We need to make every effort in this country to reduce our dependency on oil. This is just a drop in the bucket, but its the right way to go.

    I’m looking forward to the day when my beloved Christian Hill has some windmills on top.

    As an aside to the Cape Cod Blog…

    We’re not all progressives on this site, some of us are just citizens of Lowell who care about what goes on in this great city. I don’t really understand how per capita income has anything to do with this issue.

  15. bugsy Says:

    Lynne - I’m sorry we upset. Really, I am.

    We came off Cape to visit your site, because we wanted to understand why all of you are so dead set
    on supporting a project that we feel is not in everyone’s best interest.

    I’m pretty sure that we’ll have to build wind farms on the cape for the same reason we have one
    of the State’s worst polluting oil-fired electrical plants and a nuclear plant.

    The Cape is a dumping ground for the rich and powerful of Boston.

    Why doesn’t Lowell solve their own energy problems before they come to the Cape and tell us
    we have to do as they say and ruin a marine sanctury? I don’t know.

    Why aren’t you guys advocating for alternative energy installations in your towns?

    We wish you well. And, we hope you find energy solutions in your towns and in your lives before you tell us how
    we should live.

    Eric- 02601

  16. K-R-S Says:

    Actually Bugsy, Our Merrimack River ( AKA Boott HydrO) provides electricity to the grid on the CAPE.
    We’ve been generating power off our rivers for a zillion years (you remember the MILLS) and (laughingly) we have to EXPORT it.
    UMASS Lowell is the first University in the UMASS system to be powered with RENEWABLE energy.
    I’d love to see wind farms. We are so bloody dependant on foreign powers for our nations “drug” of choice.
    There is absolute chaos all over the world because of energy.
    As a country, we would be more powerful as a nation if we became fully independant of foreign fuel.

  17. Tim Little Says:

    Tho it would be nice to have a “solar roof” initiative in Lowell….

  18. Tim Little Says:

    Oh, and no, you don’t have to be rich to be NIMBY:
    http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/05/25/new_wind_farm_storm_gathers/

  19. K-R-S Says:

    Tim, I’d like to see windmills on top of every publicly owned building in Lowell (if possible).

  20. Mr Lynne Says:

    I’ve heard of people solarizing their vacation homes so that when they are not in them and not consuming, they get paid by
    the utility for the electricity that the home is feeding the system.

  21. Wayne Says:

    Hi Lynne (good meeting you the other night at l’affaire Kos…)…reporting from the Vineyard here…

    Lost in the shuffle a bit here are those of us who are not “anti-Cape Wind” but “wanting to believe”, and perhaps it is the anti-CW mainstream that’s keeping us from visibility. Call us “wanting to believe, but doggedly concerned about a few key points here”.

    Look there’s nothing about the aesthetics here that offend me per se, considering the energy upside as offered.

    The main question has been for me, in a profound way, who are Cape Wind? And how throughly has the plan been vetted for real-world contingencies of what we hope are generations of operation of these things?

    We know that the power generated from the farm will be piled back into the general grid (some folks down here actually cry foul when they realize that, but it’s part of being on the grid), but what’s the actual capitalization and return-on-capital business plan from CW? While their continued investment in this in the face of anti-CW backlash is probably eating into this big-time, does this represent a one-way private windfall (pardon the pun) realized on public lands? (echoes of some nuclear energy reactor projects I recall). Is there some form of profit-sharing-after-cap that can be realized here? Mind you, I’m all in favor of CW’s venture capitalists making a fair return on their investment…I just want to make sure it’s not a killing on the part of granted good intention.

    Here’s one I’ve not heard addressed…what is the indemnification and escrow if this doesn’t work out for engineering reasons? If a particularly harsh winter in year two of operation take these things out, does Cape Wind get to say “so sorry, guess it wasn’t a good idea, we’re outta here”, and fly the coop, leaving these things like broken umbrellas on the waterway? (echoes of some nuclear energy projects I recall).

    There are a variety of concerns like this. I definitely see and completely support the upside of the CW concept, I just want to make sure the licensing and deal *for this project* takes into account these concerns. The best I’ve heard from pro-CW advocates on this is “I’m sure there are attorneys who have thought all of this through”. I’m sure there were very smart people at the Pentagon who theoretically thought through our exit plan from Iraq, too.

    Anyways, agree or disagree, I just offer that not everybody who’s exhibiting hesitancy (not hostility) on Cape Wind is about NIMBY and uninterrupted views from Monomoy Island or whatever.

  22. Capt. Jack Says:

    Thanks Wayne,

    You have asked a few of the many unanswered questions regarding Cape Wind.

    Lynne, when was the last time you were on Nantucket Sound? I haven’t visited Lowell since it became a foreign land. We don’t have gang’s on Cape Cod, just fishermen. And we would like to keep it that way. Your lack of knowledge regarding the environmental devastation of Cape Wind and the true cost of any energy produced astounds me.

    Please join Cape Cod Today and help spread fear for the sake of dollars. You are a joke.

    Capt. Jack

  23. Lynne Says:

    Rhetoric. All rhetoric. Not one thing you said in your comment, Jack, convinces on the argument. I haven’t seen anything from you guys that doesn’t get debunked elsewhere.

    As to Wayne, I was going to compliment you for actually having well-reasoned questions. And I’m glad someone is asking them. However, the venom these others have over this is dripping with the same sort of fingers-in-ears I hear from say, people like Bill O’Reilly.

    And WTF is the comment about Lowell becoming a foreign land? Whatever.

  24. Capt. Jack Says:

    Lynne…no rhetoric. Just many years of experience on Nantucket Sound. You didn’t answer my question about your Cape experience. As for Bill O’ my bride and I love him. Will this get me banned as on Cape Cod Today.

    I am not trying to convince you of anything. Just asking that you do your homework before commenting on Cape Wind.

    Thanks for your thoughts,
    Capt. Jack

  25. Lark Says:

    According to Capt. Jack has fishermen AND Bigots…Jack, you need to do your homework regarding “them there foreigners” because they
    live everywhere…Yes, even on the Cape.
    I grew up on the Cape in the Summers, a wind farm set far off shore is a great concept.
    As usual, these issues boil down to, not in my backyard or front yard.
    Jack, what are the environmentally “devastating effects” of Cape Wind? Please enlighten those of us who live in a “foreign land”.

  26. Tim Little Says:

    “What are the environmentally ‘devastating effects’ of Cape Wind? Please enlighten those of us who live in a ‘foreign land.’”

    Whatever they are, I guess the NRDC, Sierra Club, et al, must have missed them, too. (As Lynne already pointed out; I’m just reiterating….)

    K-R-S — I’m not sure how serious you are about a windmill on every public building, but I’m also not sure how feasible this is anyway. My understanding is that to be effective, a wind turbine needs to be at least 30′ taller than the closest built structure (or trees). I also don’t know that Lowell has the sort of wind patterns that would make this doable.

  27. Capt. Jack Says:

    Lark…thanks for your comment. Prior to college and the Army I worked with underprivileged children of every nationality, race, creed or whatever. Most were poor diabetic black children from Philadelphia. I have owned businesses where my best employees were from Cambodia and Thailand. Please don’t call me or anyone else a bigot.

    My reference to a foreign land was simply that Nantucket Sound is one of the last unspoiled places on the East Coast. If you want it to look like Lowell go right ahead. But please don’t get upset if some of us scream in protest.

    Capt. Jack

  28. Capt. Jack Says:

    Tim Little…Any dredging either offshore or in a harbor has to undergo an extensive study and review.

    The proposed site for Cape Wind has depths from two feet to thirty feet. Most are two to fifteen feet.
    The initial DEIS report suggested that there would be minimal dredging but never mentioned the drafts of the barges to be used in construction. The draft of the construction barges will require the dredging of twenty four square miles of Nantucket Sound. An environmental disaster.

    This project will not help global warming but will raise electric bills for anyone using this energy. If you folks had done your homework you would see that green energy is more expensive all over the country. So you will pay more, devestate Nantucket Sound, enrich Jim Gordon and do nothing to reduce global warming.
    Capt. Jack

  29. Lynne Says:

    It will do nothing to reduce global warming??? To start using renewable non-emission electrical generation?

    Oh god, that’s the best one I’ve heard yet…then again, maybe this does make sense to fans of Bill O’Reilly.

    In the words of Charlie Brown…good grief.

  30. Capt. Jack Says:

    Lynne…can I continue or are you in bed with Cape Cod Today?

    Thanks for leaving my last posts up. And I do like a lot of Democrats.

    If the elephants can’t do any better on the environment I will be voting with the rest of you.

    Except for PATCHES.

    Capt. Jack

  31. Capt. Jack Says:

    Lynne…please do your homework. Cape Wind according to all experts in the field will have no effect on global warming. Conservation and a reduction of all energy consumption may have some effect.

    Are you bought and paid for like Cape Cod Today? If not please research the subject before making comments.

    You still have not answered my query as to the last time you were in the Sound.

    Thanks,
    Capt. Jack

  32. Capt. Jack Says:

    Ho Hum…state the truth and all the frauds disappear. What a country.

    Capt. Jack

  33. waittilnextyr Says:

    Well, Capt, I read your first post and concluded you are a racist. Maybe you have some other meaning for Lowell being a foreign land, but first impressions stick.

    As for the windfarm discussion, I expect Cape Wind plans to supply electricity at the market rate, currently about 10.5 cents a KWH. The cost to them to generate the electricty is more like 3.5 cents, but the have to generate a lot of electricity to realize a good return on their investment. If they could deliver 100 megawatts on the average, their operating profit would be $7000/hr. I think that would work out to about $60M a year, so they could probably cover their investment in 4 or 5 years. If they have a 20-yr life cycle, they should get about $1B return, less the decommission liability. Good return, but not without risk, and it pales in comparison to Exxon’s $10B per quarter that they have enjoyed at our expense.

    Lowell’s best opportunity for a windfarm, would be a few located on the ridgeline of the landfill, as thay is already tied into the electric grid through the methane fired plant.

  34. Cape Guy Says:

    I live on the Cape, opinion down here is about evenly split. Last year the Cape Cod Times did a poll that got that result.

    Let me speak up for the natives here that support Cape Wind. Other than the undecided guy from the Vineyard who raised great issues, everything the anti’s wrote here is just hokum. On the legit post - I’ve got to tell you that I’ve been to about 3 presentations the Cape wind people have given over the past few years and in each case I heard them say they were funding a decomissioning bond to take care of the wind farms removal when it stops working, they obviously hope that is not until the end of the expected life but the $ will be there if it fails sooner.

    As to the hokum - do “nothing” to stop global warming? Well the Natural Resources Defense Council says that at nearly a million tons of greenhouse gas reductions per year, that to their knowledge Cape Wind is the biggest single CO2 reduction project in the country - Jesus you have to start somewhere and this would be a fairly big start, that’s like taking 150,000 cars off the road.

    Much of Nantucket Sound, including where the wind farm would be is NOT a marine sanctuary.

    They are using jack up barges in the construction - no dredging required!!!

    As to what an offshore wind farm looks like, you can look at video of a real one offshore Denmark on the Cape wind company website, capewind dot org in the top right corner “see for yourself” - I think they look cool, but that’s just me.

    I resent the pompous remarks by Bugsy as though he “speaks for the Cape” - no, you speak for yourself only! And I speak for myself only. There are lots of folks down here who agree with you and lots down here who agree with me. It is sad to see the communities down here so split on an issue, but that happens sometimes.

    I gotta tell you all though, over the past 4 years I have received about 10 things in the mail from the anti-crowd and nothing from the company or advocates, and the paid advertising down here has been dominated by the opponents, I have to wonder if it would be more positive than roughly even split if it were not for that advertising and direct mail onslaught of the opponents, it’s astonishing how much dough they have poured into their effort. The size of their wallet does make me wonder if the developers can ever last long enought to see this through, even if they pass every gov’t agency hurdle ahead of them.

  35. Lynne Says:

    Thanks Cape Guy for the perspective.

    Hey Capt Jack, so I’m not ALLOWED to walk away from my computer for an hour or two before you jump on me for not responding? I’m done talking to you. Keep it up and you’ll be the second person I ban from this blog. And it’s not for being an O’Reilly fan either, it’s for acting like him.

  36. K-R-S Says:

    Now Now Lynne… sometimes we have to agree to disagree. Waittil offered a great financial perspective on the issue.
    The wind farm off the shore of Denmark, as I understand it, currently provides the country with 15% of its power and the country is pouring billions in the long range to increase the size of the wind farm(s) so that 25% of the country’s power will be generated by the windfarms.
    Of course, the Danes have been using this resource for centuries.
    As Americans we HAVE to wean ourselves off of foreign oil and start getting smarter with energy..I’d rather subsidize renewable energy than subsidize International Oil Companies who make record profits.

  37. Mr Lynne Says:

    Questions and answers.

    Is it safe?
    Other similar projects elswhere (Denmark) appear to be. Probably ok.

    Is it economical?
    Maybe not in the short term (subsidies). But without government help we wouldn’t have had most worth while innovations.
    We expect it to pan out eventually otherwise investors wouldn’t touch it.

    Is it environmentally sound?
    Sound enough for most Environmental Advocacy groups whom I doub’t have been bought off.

    Is its construction environmentally sound?
    If it wasn’t they wouldn’t be able to get the necessary permits. Again… probably ok.

    Is it aestheticly ok?
    Opinions vary. I think its cool and would gladly have one in my skyline.

    Is it safe for shipping?
    Probably more so than in Buzzards Bay.

    What about the money?
    Don’t know the details… lots of contract stuff.

    Is it something we need?
    It specifically?… no. Bue we NEED to start something like it somewhere and the spot seems idylic for the cause.

    Is it something we want?
    Have you filled your gas tank lately? Your home heating oil tank? We want alot of it… yesterday.

  38. K-R-S Says:

    Also, the “Cape” may see this as just their issue..yes, for the time being it is..down the road all of our coastal communities may be faced with the same opportunity and hopefully we can embrace it, having already vetted the concerns down on the Cape.
    I thought I had heard that Maine was looking into windfarms..anybody hear that?

  39. Capt. Jack Says:

    waittilnextyr Says:
    May 25th, 2006 at 6:42 pm
    Well, Capt, I read your first post and concluded you are a racist. Maybe you have some other meaning for Lowell being a foreign land, but first impressions stick.

    My friend, you don’t have a clue and can conclude what ever you please. We could care less what you think. And that includes all the black and multi-national friends who charter me every year. You know who I am and can find me at Allen Harbor all summer.

    Are you guaranteeing that Cape Wind will supply energy at market rates. And what does Exxon’s profit have to do with Cape Wind? You are part of the hate, sludge and misinformation that has brought this Nation to the landfill that it is. Please build your wind factory in Lowell.

    Capt. Jack

  40. Tim Little Says:

    “Please build your wind factory in Lowell.”

    Every Tuesday night at City Hall. (Now there’s an untapped resource!)

  41. Capt. Jack Says:

    Lynne…what does this comment have to do with Cape Wind?

    ” Is it something we want?
    Have you filled your gas tank lately? Your home heating oil tank? We want alot of it… yesterday.”

    You are part of the misinformation. In fairness to your readers please get informed and whatever position you take will be OK with me. But don’t suggest Cape Wind is going to reduce gas prices, heating oil prices, global warming, Cape energy costs or any other propaganda that can’t be substantiated and has been refuted by experts.

    Thank goodness you were Left in Lowell. The Cape will be just fine without you and your friends.

    Capt. Jack

  42. K-R-S Says:

    Tim Little Writes:

    “Please build your wind factory in Lowell.”

    Every Tuesday night at City Hall. (Now there’s an untapped resource!)

    Tim, absolutely! There’s tons o’ wind that blows out of there each week..Kidding!!! But I couldn’t resist. : 0)

  43. Mr Lynne Says:

    Read the name Mr Jack.

    To answer your question… the country needs to embrace alternative energy sources.
    Such a journy begins with a single step.
    Will it get us their by itself? Of course not.
    Is it a step toward where we as a country need to go?
    Absolutely!

  44. bugsy Says:

    Lynne,

    check out this BBC report:

    Urban wind farm plan for Glasgow

    Three turbines would be erected on the hills above Castlemilk
    A Glasgow housing scheme could become the site of the UK’s first community-owned urban wind farm.

    There are plans to put up three turbines near Castlemilk to generate and sell electricity and raise £250,000 a year for local community projects.

    Planning permission has been granted to erect a 40-metre anemometer to measure wind speed on Cathkin Braes hills above the area over the next 12 months.

    It is hoped the energy produced will feed into the national grid.

    If successful, all the profits from the scheme would be ploughed into a community trust and used for local regeneration.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3603123.stm

    Why isn’t Cape Wind structured this way? If it were, maybe fols would get behand it. what is being proposed and what you support is a rip off. You may not agrue with Reilly’s position on Cape Wind, but he is correct.

  45. Tim Little Says:

    Actually there’s a lot of talk about windfarm development in several locations in Scotland (Highlands and outer islands, particularly). My general impression is that it’s being received favorably there, but not without some debate, and I don’t know how the individual projects compare to the the Glasgow proposal profits-wise. If I get the time, I’ll see if I can dig up more details.

    As an aside, I think renewable energy developments (wind and wave turbines, in particular) makes a lot of sense for Scotland, which like Massachusetts lacks other natural resources (aside from North Sea Oil) and has been losing population steadily for some time now.

    Now if the Hearts could only keep a head coach for more than a 1/3 of a season…. There’s a soap opera there that makes the Sox look tame in comparison. Go Jambos!

  46. waittilnextyr Says:

    Last summer’s news, hidden away in energy bill, but maybe some on the Cape would prefer this approach:

    WASHINGTON — A provision tucked into the energy bill approved by Congress last week calls on the government to conduct a survey of potential oil and gas drilling at sites along the entire US coastline, including Georges Bank off the coast of Nantucket.

    The measure directs the Department of Interior to conduct an ‘’inventory and analysis of oil and gas resources” beneath the outer continental shelf, the relatively shallow areas beginning about 3 miles off the nation’s coastline. That includes Georges Bank, a vast underwater plateau that stretches from Cape Cod to Nova Scotia and has been among the world’s most fertile fishing grounds.

    Energy companies have sought to drill for oil and gas on the bank for more than 30 years, prompting protracted legal and congressional battles. A ban on drilling has been in place since 1982, and the current moratorium runs through 2012. The energy bill, which President Bush is expected to sign next week, does not alter the drilling ban but lifts the prohibition on exploration, which was added during the 1990s.

  47. Capt. Jack Says:

    Mr. Lynne…You might find this interesting regarding the supposed reduction of CO2 emissions
    as a result of Cape Wind.

    http://www.iberica2000.org/Es/Articulo.asp?Id=2950

    Thanks

  48. Lynne Says:

    RE Capt Jack and his comments and banning: I am willing to listen to reason. See response to Cape Guy. However, every time these other people bloviate, I hear nothing but hot air. Really. I’ve looked up a lot of the so-called proof these guys post, and it’s junk. The well-funded opposition to Cape Wind is good at distorting.

    Do they really care about wildlife? Do they really care about whether or not there’s profit sharing? (Really, you expect someone to build a profitable veture and then offer to give up the money they make? Go as the oil companies about becoming charities, then, too, while you’re at it.) So much for private enterprise and competition and the market, right? The ONLY reason they are against it is because it’s on the Cape. They’ve proven they don’t object to it if it goes elsewhere (Buzzard’s Bay). They’ve said so!

    OF COURSE Cape Wind isn’t the only solution, and OF COURSE it’s not going to single-handedly fix global warming. OF COURSE we want to increase efficiency along with finding renewable sources of energy. Do you think we’re completely ignorant? And OF COURSE questions should be asked and permits should be obtained properly. Frankly, though, I haven’t seen one shred of evidence this company did anything that warrents such hatred.

    This thread is now closed. I’ve never done this before, but I don’t want my blog to turn into a place where people can spread rhetoric. There’s a fine line between discussion and bloviating. The reason I wrote this post was because I was tired of the latter. Thanks to Cape Guy for showing us not all opposition to renewable energy projects is complete, obstinent, and simply NIMBY. But accusations of “working for so and so” and insults to people’s character are not welcome.

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