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November 28th, 2006 at 11:51 pm
Getting out may be the answer, but it is not the whole answer. I think George Packer makes some good points in the 27 Nov _New Yorker_. For example, Mr Packer points out that Rep Murtha’s comment on NPR about it being no worse than the partition of India and Pakistan ignores the million people killed during the partition and the several wars that followed.
It is not clear to me that the Iraqis do wish us to leave. They may want us out, but if we leave there will be chaos and even more death and destruction.
If we pull out, who do we leave in charge? The present elected Gov’t? Do we arm them against the insurgents? Do we put the former President back in charge–if our invasion was wrong, does restitution for our wrong action mean putting President Hussein back in charge?
Maybe we have to say we are pulling out to allow ourselves to sort out how we would do it, but that seems to represent even poorer planning than USCENTCOM, OSD and STATE did for the occupation.
I was not too proud of our abandoning the Cambodians in 1973. That didn’t go so well. And, I, for one, don’t want to betray the Shi’a and Kurds one more time.
Regards — Cliff
November 29th, 2006 at 11:04 am
“Humpty dumpty (Iraq) sat on a wall
Humpty dumpty had a great fall (pushed)
All the King’s (GWB) horses
And all the King’s men (our military)
Couldn’t put Humpty together again.”
Now we have to make breakfast out of those scrambled eggs.
We must stop all activities that signal long term presence in the country.
We must make the Iraqi military and police step up, and the best place to start is within the cities of Iraq. No US military should be doing house to house searches and/or combat within the cities. The currently elected Iraqi government must take ownership of the problem.
US military would be more effective in guarding oil infrastructure, the borders and (maybe) some friendly citizens that would otherwise be threatened, such as the Kurds, and not intermingled with the general populace.
Stop spending $550M on US consulate in Baghdad.
Stop spending $5B per month in Iraq (15 yrs of Big Dig spending compressed into every 3-month period).
Reconstituting Congress gives us an opening for change. Reconsituting the executive branch could solidy it.
November 29th, 2006 at 2:41 pm
Good points, both of you.
It is imperative that we make it look like we’re not there permanently, I agree.
Redeployment isn’t “just leaving.” And the painful thing is, we owe so many reparations to the Iraqis…but to whom do we give them? This government isn’t working.
But certainly, under THIS president, we are going to get more bad decisions after bad. We cannot trust him to do this. Pushing for the extreme option (getting out ASAP) is the only tool we have to push him into doing SOMEthing, ANYthing, besides the broken policies that led us here in the first place.
He won’t listen to actual intelligent and serious discussions about this. He just won’t!