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April 27, 2008

Bloodied Up or Stronger?

by at 10:14 am.

The Sunday shows are all talking about the primary horse race (as usual). Despite the American voters’ need to figure out what direction this country should go on the issues, the talking heads once again spend 99% of their time on the former. And of course they usually get things wrong or miss the really deep issues of the horse race to boot.

To me, there’s two warring aspects to this elongated primary. One is about the way this standard circular firing squad, that has characterized Democratic primaries (as compared to the more hierarchical Republican manner, in their winner-take-all, get-on-board style, which while envious, is also sort of cultish and undesirable), is damaging our brand ahead of what will probably be an even nastier general campaign. While it helps vet our eventual nominee and gives them practice on combating wingnut attacks later, it also gives the other side fodder they might not have had, because it drives the negatives of both our candidates up ahead of schedule, making it easier for the Republican to define negativity on us later.

The other is the fact that the drawn-out process has really sustained interest in far more states than normal. Looking at the numbers of new registrations, one can make the argument that with the shorter general election season, we wouldn’t have time to get quite as many people fired up. I think once the losing side gets over the initial disappointment, they will be prepared to get fired up again. That’s a good thing.

On an unrelated front, the observation I’ve been making about the goddamn idiotic media-driven storyline is how Clinton had a blowout win in PA. Give me a break. How is going from 20 points in the polls in PA a month ago to a 10 point win a good sign for Clinton? Yes, of course Clinton’s spinning it as good, but objectively, she did not hit Obama as hard in the final count in PA than in previous OH, even though PA has far more of the sort of people who usually back Clinton - older Dems and blue collar. That’s a bad sign for her campaign. I have not heard one idiot talking head on the TV figure that out. Of course, they have a monetary interest in extending this fight as long as possible, because affiliates in upcoming states will spend inordinate amounts of money on ads. Just sayin’.

4 Responses to “Bloodied Up or Stronger?”

  1. Christopher Says:

    In answer to your title question, I definitely come down on the side of stronger. At this point it doesn’t really matter who wins each primary and by how much, at least in terms of the math. Barring a landslide each candidate will probably get the same number of pledged delegates in each of the remaining states due to allocation formulae. It’s about spinning for the remaining superdelegate votes for both sides. When all is said and done Obama will probably have roughly the same lead in pledged delegates as he has now and Clinton has made it clear she’s not going anywhere.

  2. Lynne Says:

    I wonder if you’d come down on the side of “stronger” if you were not a Clinton supporter? Does it pass the shoe on the other foot test?

    Me, I think it’s neither. I think we’ll have more trouble because of the circular firing squad in the fall, but we’ll have more voters too. I do think if Clinton overturns the pledged delegate lead Obama has with superdelegates, Clinton loses a lot more votes than if Obama wins after being ahead. One of many reasons that Obama is the vastly stronger candidate for us in the fall.

    Another reason why Obama is our best shot is that Clinton’s proved she’ll “go there” when she’s desperate, that she’ll lie or “forget” or distort a LOT when it comes to fighting her opponent. Yes, Obama has done some spinning, but Clinton’s spinned and lied a lot more. People hate believing their politicians are dishonest and without honor. Sorry, but she’s already failed that test.

    Next reason, the fundraising! Obama just blows away all the records. Especially in small donors, which is a good thing for democracy (he’s less beholden to special interests) and makes those people available later on. We would CRUSH McCain with Obama’s fundraising. And while it’s despicable that money is the main arbiter of who will win, it is, in almost any election. Which is why, of course the Dem Leadership Council abandoned its traditional base of the working poor to suck up to big business like the Republicans, canonize Free Trade, and screw our party for decades.

    Lastly, I think Obama’s campaign style, and energy, and his representation of “change” will really reset the politics we’ve been stuck with since Ray-gun. You can’t argue that Clinton doesn’t stand for the same old same old (hell, she’s running on Bill’s tenure as president a decade ago). All the new people, the young people, who are showing energy and interest in this election are in it because HE appeals to them. Clinton, I think, will not. (Neither will McCain, but we might just see a big segment of those voters not bother to show up in November if our nominee is Clinton.)

  3. joe Says:

    Obama has been flat-footed lately.

    He needs to come out with a new message, maybe an offensive about Hillary and McCain both trying to get us even more involved in Middle Eastern politics and wars.

  4. Christopher Says:

    Lynne,

    Yes, it absolutely passes the shoe on the other foot test for me, as long as the whole part about neither having clinched the nomination is true. Obviously there is no way to prove a counterfactual so you will just have to trust me. I believe I’ve already stated comments to other posts that Bill Clinton IS a key reason I’m supporting her given the track record of the 1990s. (Was it the peace or the prosperity you didn’t like?) As for electability, current rubrics say Obama trails McCain 269-243 electoral votes while Clinton leads McCain 291-247; this according to www.electoral-vote.com. I’m hoping for a unity ticket anyway, Clinton-Obama prefered, but Obama-Clinton quite acceptable.

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