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May 7th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
I believe Kos called for something similar during the Rep. primary in Michigan this winter. He called for Dems. to vote for Romney (I think) to keep the Rep. race in flux. I don’t recall any (manufactured) outrage from the left then.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Party primaries should be private events, funded by the parties, resulting in their own candidates.
By choosing to allow anyone to vote in any party primary, all the parties have chosen to allow this type of stuff to occur.
It is entertaining, and I bet its boosted his audience back up a few million listeners.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
“Will she come around and stand behind the guy who won, fair and square, and who is our best chance for winning in November?”
I’m sure she will once the process really is over. She said so herself last night. Repeat after me: “Senator Obama has NOT achieved 2025 yet!” That’s all I need to know, unless you count the fact a decision has not been made regarding Florida and Michigan. Exit polls did show that GOP voters went slightly for Clinton, but it doesn’t matter at this point. Both candidates need superdelegate help and there is nothing wrong with that. Polls continue to suggest that Clinton is stronger in the general election.
May 8th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Christopher: even with MI and FL, she is 100 pledged delegates behind. Then you look at the superdelegate counts from these past months - Clinton has not made her case yet, she’s losing that battle more than 2:1, why should I believe she has a shot in hell of making it now? The ONLY way she wins is convincing the superdelegates to overturn. No, the only person who can’t seem to face reality is Clinton. It is nearly impossible, even WITH the UNFAIR contests in FL and MI, which she was PERFECTLY FINE with not seating, by the way, until she was losing, she cannot win. Math is undeniable. Clinton is acting like Bush now - ignoring facts and plunging full steam ahead. How much do I NOT want a president that acts like Bush? A lot.
I was never a big fan of the “interfere with the MI Rep primary” thing, though, if the other side is going to constantly do it (in more than a few states) than I don’t want to hear it, you don’t tie your own hands behind your back while your opponent gets to pick up a weapon. I agree with Shawn, though, that the primary should be left to the PARTY to decide. That also means NO fracking independents showing up and voting. Look, stay independent or uncommitted if that floats your boat, but then you shouldn’t be able to decide who the party faithful want as their candidate. Pick a side, or stay out until the general.
Polls are all over the map about Clinton/Obama vs. McCain for months. Give me a break. Clinton brings out, for better or worse, a WHOLE lotta people against her, too, the instant she’s the nominee. Some candidates for downticket offices are starting to get worried about that, they say she costs them about 5 points in the election if she’s our nom. No, I much better trust our chances with Obama, Clinton is too much like a Republican especially in tactics, and we’ve learned that when voters get Republican, or Republican Lite, they choose Republicans.
Clinton is also in debt (Obama raises tons of money) and loses a whole new generation of voters that might become too cynical if the superdel’s overturn the primary process. Nope, Clinton is our worst shot for the general on pretty much every metric. Come ON, Rush and his ilk WANT her as the nominee, doesn’t that tell you something? Give up. We need this time to start hammering on McCain. Certainly, the MEDIA won’t do it on their own. We’re wasting precious time.
May 8th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Operation Chaos was more than a failure, it was counter-productive.
It was an attempt to drag out the Democratic primary fight by handing vicotories to Hillary Clinton.
But now, because of Operation Chaos, the media is reporting the split decision from Tuesday - she won one, he won one - as if it were a sweep for Obama. Because the Indiana vote was close, everyone is dismissing her victory as a consequence of Operation Chaos, and treating it as if Obama REALLY won Indiana.
The ironic part is that, in all probability, there was just a tiny, tiny number of people who actually voted that way. They probably didn’t make the difference, but because of Limbaugh’s fat mouth, a result that otherwise would have been treated as “the race goes on” is being treated as “the primary is over.”
So, from the bottom of my Democratic, Obama-supporting heart, thank you Rush Limbaugh. Thank you, Dittoheads. Thank you so very much for changing the perception of this contest, helping to end it early, and putting to be the very dynamic that you all realize was McCane’s only chance to overcome the absurdly-tilted playing field that is the 2008 general election.
May 8th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Polls continue to suggest that Clinton is stronger in the general election.
The same polls that show a much higher % of Clinton supporters reporting that they will not vote for Obama, than vice-versa. Clinton’s slight advantage in some polls is entirely an artifact of there being more Clinton primary voters declaring that they won’t vote Democrat than Obama primary voters.
But if you look at those numbers, they’re about the same as the number of McCain primary voters who reported, before the primary contests ended in 2000, that they wouldn’t vote for Bush. Of course, they did vote for Bush. This is a heavily polarized country, and Democrats vote for the Democrat while Republicans vote for the Republican.
As you say, Christopher, Hillary is going to fall in line and be a good Democrat as soon as she is mathematically eliminated. I believe you, I believe her, and I think the conspiracy theories about her working to tank Obama so she can run again in 2012 are silly. She’s going to throw her support behind the Democratic nominee, and as soon as she does, all of those Democrats are going come home.