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February 24, 2009

Awesome

by at 4:43 pm.

Ha ha! (Spoken in the voice of Nelson Muntz.)

So much for the argument by pundits and conservatives everywhere that The People ™ think that the Republicans were the winners and Democrats and Obama the losers over this stimulus debate.

But by all means, please, keep drumming people like Governor Crist out of your party.

8 Responses to “Awesome”

  1. Josh Says:

    So you exalt majoritarian rule when it comes to Obama and the stimulus, but you denigrated it for months because people voted to ban gay marriage. Which one is it, Lynne?

    Personally, I go with the merits of the argument. Unforunately, Obama has shut down the conversation by giving people less time to read his bills than Bush gave people to read the Patriot Act. Don’t forget his “No econoMist is opposed to a stimulus” error of omission along with his “we need to pass this right now without debate or another great depression will occur” rhetoric.

    But fine, celebrate the fact that millions of non-economists who have never read the bill support spending a trillion dollars that mostly consists of other people’s money.

  2. Mr. Lynne Says:

    This is real simple Josh… the stimulus bill isn’t a civil right. Not a real hard distinction there.

  3. Lynne Says:

    What Mr. Lynne said.

    Also, I abhor the whole concept of ballot initiatives in the first place, across the board, even when I support them and encourage people to vote for one or against another.

    I am not qualified to micro manage every aspect of government.

    The possible exception to my hatred of ballot inits might be things that politicians have a direct conflict of interest on - our voting system and redistricting, etc. Where one cannot expect an incumbent to vote against their own best interests. So things like adopting Instant Runoff Voting or other permutations, etc.

  4. Shawn Says:

    Ah.. the young. You weren’t paying taxes prior to proposition 2-1/2..

  5. tim Says:

    Josh, that’s not even the point. From the link:

    As always, it’s worth noting that the mere fact that large majorities of Americans
    believe X does not mean that X is true or right. But what is clear is that it’s
    simply dishonest to claim that Americans want Republicans and their policies to
    shape how the country is governed.

    I would add more but you should just read the rest, he says it better than I can.

  6. Shawn Says:

    Again, another poorly designed poll (what would you expect from the NYT?)

    Which do you think should be a higher priority right now for Barack Obama — working in a bipartisan way with the Republicans in Congress or sticking to the policies he promised he would during the campaign?

    Working bipartisan way — 39%; Sticking to policies - 56%

    One of the “policies” Obama ran on was the fact that partisanship was a major problem in Washington and everyone must work to eliminate it.. this was a major part of many of his speeches.
    The basis of this question is whether Obama should ignore this policy he ran on, or on the other policies he ran on.. I wonder who they were questioning, liberal college freshmen?

    Both parties negotiate to try to change the future.. thats the point of parties.

    You seem to think that everyone else should just abandon their own ethics and beliefs just because they are in the minority right now. I did not expect that of the Democrats in the past, and do not expect if of the Republicans now.

  7. Lynne Says:

    Give me a break. That all you got, Shawn? Really?

    No, Shawn, I think the Republicans should definitely stick to their guns. That way, the 2010 elections will be a total bloodbath. I honestly can’t wait to watch more Republicans lose their seats to their debunked, unpopular policies.

  8. joe from Lowell Says:

    On the contrary, Shawn, the question is brilliantly structured.

    By setting up “follow the policies he campaigned on” as the alternate to “bipartisanship,” it eliminates precisely the point of possible confusion you bring up. Especially by putting the “bipartisanship” choice first, it makes it clear to the respondent that “policies he campaigned on” is not meant to include the process issue of bipartisanship.

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