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August 20, 2009

We Do Deserve to Vote

by at 9:39 am.

The Lion of the Senate has written a letter to ask that the legislature allow Gov Patrick to fill his Senate seat when, eventually, we lose our senior Senator.

The bill he seeks isn’t a complete repeal of the special election process; rather, he is asking for a short-term, temporary appointment to fill the seat for the five months that such a special election takes place, and asks that the Governor extract a promise from the appointee that they will not seek the seat.

I give the Senator credit for wanting to adhere and retain the special election rules for vacancies - if it was fair for circumstances under Romney, it’s still fair now. I also see why the urgency for Massachusetts to keep two Senators in the meantime, particularly on health care reform. We need all the votes in the Senate we can get - particularly a vote similar to Kennedy’s. The lies and smear tactics in the health care from some quarters on the right have been nothing short of spectacularly disgusting. I know I haven’t written about health care reform like I would normally do (given that we’re so mired in an important local election season here) but I have been following it.

By the way, this is how you fight fire - or rather morons - with fire. Can’t we have a real honest debate without this sort of crazy stupid bullshit? (By the way, watch the full video here - she’s actually worse than you think.)

I wonder if the Senator’s influence will have any affect on the legislature.

17 Responses to “We Do Deserve to Vote”

  1. Right In Lowell Says:

    Lynne, we definitely disagree on most things political, except when it comes to city stuff. I don’t see how you can approve of Barney’s clearly insulting jabs at his constituents. As you said, there are spectacularly disgusting shots and some of the speakers were clearly over the top, but that behavior comes from all sides of the issue. Those you call morons have a right to express their opinions whether you and I agree or not.
    Barney was arrogant, condescending and over the top rude in his handling of the outbursts. He should have been expecting dissention and out there questions and could have handled them differently, but that’s what being in DC for so long does to people. They think their opinions are the only ones that matter.

  2. Mr. Lynne Says:

    If a guy brings hitler/obama signs to a discussion, they are a moron. They have a right to express their inanity, sure,… but I’d hope that non-morons would hold them accountable for it. I furthermore hope that legislators do the non-moron thing and also hold them accountable for it.

    Are you really suggesting that ‘putting down’ a person with a Hitler sign is arrogant? You prefer he ‘respect’ this nonsense and ‘engage’ the un-engage-able? Was the biggest problem in that room really that the Hitler people were not given enough respect?

    Besides, assuaging these people has consequences too:

    Voters don’t have a great deal of knowledge about the issues, or a great deal of interest in acquiring knowledge about the issues. But they are human beings, equipped with our species’ excellent ability to read the emotional states of other human beings. If they see a politician acting defensive about his “side” in an argument, they conclude that this critics are probably on to something. If they see a politicians acting outraged and hitting back fearlessly, they’re likely to conclude that he has nothing to apologize for.

  3. C R Krieger Says:

    The Senator has thought this out.  I had thought the cloture number was 3/5ths of those present and voting, but my wife pointed out to me it is a hard number–60.  With both Senator Richard Byrd (D-WV) in an iffy status and our own Senator Kennedy (D-MA) fighting a hard disease, keeping a 60 seat majority is going to be hard.

    The point about the interim server promising not to run is a sufficient fig leaf to cover what would otherwise have become a drunked walk down the street by the Great and General Court as the Governorship switched between parties.

    Regards  —  Cliff

  4. Tony Says:

    If it’s so important that we have 2 Senators representing us, why hasn’t Kennedy stepped down? He’s been mostly absent for over a year now.

  5. joe from Lowell Says:

    She looked Jewish Congressman, who lost relatives in the Holocaust, in the face, and asked him how he could support a Nazi policy, because he wants to help poor people get health care, and you’re worried that HE was rude to HER?

    Screw. That. This country has suffered too from because of the simple refusal to treat idiots like idiots, and instead pretend that their mutterings are worthy of being treated with respect in our public dialogue.

    Calling somebody a Nazi, looking to execute people for being “unworthy of life” is not dissent. It is not a question. It should not be treated, either by Congressman Frank or by you, as the equivalent of a serious, meaningful, respectful objection to, say, the cost of the bill, the effect of a public option on private-sector insurers, or the like.

    But if conservatives REALLY DO want to make the argument that this LaRouchite lunatics disgusting, delusional rant is indistinguishable from the substantive, principled objections that Republicans have to universal health care…fine. I’ll be happy to go along with that.

    If I were in your shoes, Right, I’d be running away from this corrupt lunacy as fast as I can. Unfortunately, you seem to look at this woman and see kindred soul.

  6. joe from Lowell Says:

    Right, let me give you some advice I sincerely hope your side doesn’t take:

    These LaRouchites are the equivalent of International ANSWER. Don’t march with them, don’t protest with them, don’t defend them, don’t march around with big puppets (or whatever the anti-health-care equivalent is) for them. They are scum. They may be organized and energetic, but they are also crazy.

    And you know what else? They’ll sell your issue down the river in a heartbeat in exchange for some media attention.

  7. Ned Says:

    Teddy K’s seat should be auctioned Blagojevich style, with the proceeds being donated to communities that can’t afford local primaries.

  8. Jack Mitchell Says:

    Fighting fire with logic. Charley over at BMG has a great diary up.
    What is the public option?

    He cuts to the chase:
    What are other examples of government “public options” to private products or services? Federal Stafford Loans for students. State universities. Certain housing loan programs.

    I still haven’t used my VA home loan. I bought a house 8 years ago. So far, I have refinanced twice, going from a 30 year fixed at 7.25% to a 15 year fixed at 4.75%. The VA loan is a solid Plan B. Thanks for being there, Uncle Sam.

    Furthermore, I buy my family’s health insurance direct from Fallon. The exchange Mass has set up came in real handy! That public option, if made available, will definately get solid consideration.

  9. Jack Mitchell Says:

    Yesssir. Git Er Done, Ned. Mad props!

  10. Lynne Says:

    *snort* OMG Ned, I am really glad I wasn’t drinking anything near my laptop when I read your comment.

    And what the others said. This woman, with the exception of screaming fire in a crowded theatre or committing slander or threat, has a right to say whatever batshit crazy thing she wants. But I also have a right to belittle her for being batshitcrazy.

    Joe hits the nail on the head: “This country has suffered too from because of the simple refusal to treat idiots like idiots, and instead pretend that their mutterings are worthy of being treated with respect in our public dialogue.”

    Just because a tiny minority says the Earth is flat, doesn’t mean their side of the argument should be given any weight.

    Either put up good arguments for your side, or risk total and absolute ridicule by people who are sick of it.

  11. Right In Lowell Says:

    Mr Lynne and Joe; I abhor the ‘nazi’ stuff and am enraged that you got the impression that I condone Larouche and his ilk. I was referring to the whole charade of his town meeting not to one f***kd up group. I still say that Barney was out of line during the entire meeting and should have been the bigger person. The healthcare bill as written is losing momentum daily. I saw that group at the chelmsford meeting and told them in person what I thought of them for your information.

  12. Lynne Says:

    Excuse me, being a bigger person does not mean you have to give in to bullies, which is what these Home Town Meeting Screamers basically are. They don’t want to debate, they want to stop the debate. Well, then, face the music, kiddies.

  13. Mr. Lynne Says:

    I’m not in a position to know if you ‘back’ the nazi crowd. What you are on record as saying, though, is that they deserve more respect than Frank gave them. I strongly disagree. I don’t think they deserve respect at all. Saying they have the right to say their piece might be considered ‘far from condoning’, but to say that they have the right to respect is hard to read as saying anything other than their viewpoint is respectable to some degree. I suggest you reverse your tack. Find someone who Frank should have been more polite to and make your argument about that instead.

  14. Tim Little Says:

    Anything resembling constructive dialog stops the moment one person uses Nazism, socialism, fascism, etc., as a rhetorical device. It’s all downhill from there….

  15. Publius Says:

    Mr. Lynne,

    The left used Hitler/Nazi references for virtually eight years against Bush. Were you objecting then?

  16. Lynne Says:

    Neither he nor I used the term. However, there are some shades of fascism in the Bush years…torture for one. Rendition and the death of detainees. Spying on Americans without warrant. Denial of the truth of science and facts in order to do whatever he wanted against whoever he wanted. Stealing elections and suppressing the vote in minority communities.

    It certainly wasn’t the Holocaust, no where near, and our loss of freedoms under Bush the Christian Apocalypse President in no way compares to the death camps the Nazis employed, but if one were to compare the fascism under Bush to Nazism, it’s a hell of a lot closer than anything Obama is proposing or would ever do.

    But you don’t really care about the truth, you just want to bitch and moan about being a victim…”See! You did it before. It must mean I’m a victim!”

    Trouble is, we here at LiL didn’t do it before.

  17. Lynne Says:

    By the way, no, most of the Left did not use the reference, selective memory there.

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