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March 17, 2010

It’s a Vote, Now Please Shut Up

by at 2:14 pm.

Is there no untruth the Republicans will pull out to attack with? I swear, with each passing year they get more hysterical and unhinged. The latest lie from the Right is about the Dem House leadership’s decision to use this “deem and pass” procedure, which will pass the Senate’s version of the health care bill, plus all the “reconciliation” amendments all at once.

But, as David has explained before, the final vote in the House won’t be a simple vote on the Senate health care bill. Instead, it will be a vote on a resolution which effectively passes and amends the Senate health care bill at the same time.

So why don’t Democrats do it the FNC/RNC way and have the final vote be on the Senate bill?

Simple: because the Senate bill is not the final health care reform measure. And the House is working to structure its final vote to ensure that the Senate bill does not become law without being amended.

In so doing, the House is trying to do the responsible thing, eliminating any chance of the Senate bill passing without reconciliation fixes, thereby making sure that we end up with the best possible policy.

Sure, the House could trust the Senate to do the right thing. But if they can structure things to make sure the Senate does the right thing, why shouldn’t they?

So please, shut up, you are giving me a headache. Also, if I hear the words “This is a government takeover of our health care!” ONE MORE TIME I will hurt someone. TRUST me, if it were a government takeover of health care, I’d be running out in the streets whooping with joy. I’m not, it’s not, so… Shut. Up.

39 Responses to “It’s a Vote, Now Please Shut Up”

  1. joe from Lowell Says:


    Take comfort in the knowledge that nobody in the real world cares about Congressional procedure.

    Political junkies like us get all worked up about it. Nobody else cares. For a brief moment, a tiny slice of the public might think, when the vote is held, “Wait, I thought they weren’t going to have a vote,” and then this whole non-issue will slip from everyone’s mind.

    “The Democrats are using a legislative maneuver that…”


  2. Gordon Pickguard Says:

    @lynne as a “single payer” expand medicare to cover everyone guy,I share your frustration. I just can’t listen or watch media coverage any longer. Just too much lies,half-truths and misinformation. Like the the use of credit cards in this country, I guess people won’t get it until the current healthcare fee and reimbursement structure bankrupts us all.

  3. Right In Lowell Says:

    so comfort means that back door deals, giveaways and rides on AF1 to ‘persuade’ are a good thing? I want what you’re smoking if you think this plan will save money as written.
    Obama hasn’t made enough of a mess in the last year, he now wants to tackle education now… Katie bar the door!!

  4. Shawn Says:

    There’s a true liberal’s attitude towards open discussion.

    Just tell the opposition to STFU.

    This is obviously a step towards government health care. The goal is to drive the health care companies out of business so that the gov’t has to take it over.

    You’re so stuck in the day to day battles, you’re not watching the big picture.

  5. Lynne Says:

    Shawn: “There’s a true liberal’s attitude towards open discussion.”

    That is the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long time, and way to open up a discussion eh?

    If your side of the aisle stops lying about everything, maybe we can have a discussion. Until then, get over it. They are LYING. Not stretching the truth a couple times. LYING about what this legislation IS and what the procedures ARE. They are HYPOCRITES and LIARS. Five years ago your side was screaming “UP OR DOWN VOTE! UP OR DOWN VOTE!” Well guess what? That’s what the reconciliation process, WHICH REPUBLICANS USED INCESSANTLY under Bush, is. If you can’t stop lying, then yeah, you’re damn right I don’t want to hear it. The Repubs have been lying, lying, lying about everything for a year on health care. Death panels? Socialism? FUCK the lies. I call them like I see them.

    RiL: First, this vote IS NOT a backroom deal, and second, I don’t see how trying to persuade members of your own party is exactly unethical? I mean, we bent over backwards to accommodate the Party of No even though it was to no avail. But now that we’re pressuring our own side it’s unethical? Give me a break.

    RE saving money, of course it won’t. It’ll COST money, because uninsured people will get insurance. HOWEVER, making the pool larger (bringing in the young and healthy to pay into a system they have been shut out of due to cost) WILL bring everyone’s cost down.

    Secondarily, it will save lives, and livelihoods. The health care insurance system is KILLING people. It is bankrupting them. So, it’s better than doing nothing, by a long shot.

  6. Lynne Says:

    Oh and Shawn, you are sooooo into “choice” - where’s my choice to opt into Medicare, or for a public option plan for myself or my employees? *That* was what was in this bill before the Senate hacked it out.

    *I* want a choice. You don’t want me to have one. Who’s the person for more competition??? It ain’t you.

  7. Gordon Pickguard Says:

    @ Shawn, “govn’t take over,” Should I presume that you have a job that once you retire will continue to cover you ? If not you’ll be on Medicare at age 65. A government plan that that has somehow has been good enough for for our seniors. If it is good enough for our aged parents why not the rest of us ? Please just tell us that at age 65 you’re going to pay for all your health care out of your own pocket so that we won’t ever consider the posibility that you’re a hypocrite.

  8. Mike Hayden Says:


    Sounds like you could use a course in Anger Management Lynne Your temper and language are going to land you in big trouble some day Call me I will give you a discount on the course Who knows maybe you learn something
    Mike Hayden

  9. Jack Mitchell Says:

    Didn’t we tell Shawn to STFU back on Nov.4, 2008? I heard it loud and clear. It was you, me and 69,456,895 other Americans.

  10. Mr. Lynne Says:

    “This is obviously a step towards government health care.”

    The government already has health care - its called the military and the VA. You probably meant insurance. The government already has that too. Perhaps you meant ‘toward more’ rather than ‘toward’. In that case,…. er, no. No public option pretty much means exactly what it sounds like.

    “The goal is to drive the health care companies out of business so that the gov’t has to take it over.”

    The bill goes so far out of its way to not do what you allege its goal is that it sacrificed better cost controls to do it.

    “You’re so stuck in the day to day battles, you’re not watching the big picture.”

    You’re too stuck in your talking points to see the big picture. The biggest driver of the deficit is medical costs and simply put, this bill does more to deal with future deficits than possibly any US legislation ever.

    …According to the Congressional Budget Office, the bill cuts deficits by $130 billion in the first 10 years, and up to $1.2 trillion in the second 10 years. The excise tax is now indexed to inflation, rather than inflation plus one percentage point, and the subsidies grow more slowly over time. So one of the strongest cost controls just got stronger, and the automatic spending growth slowed….

    This was a hard bill to write. Pairing the largest coverage increase since the Great Society with the most aggressive cost-control effort isn’t easy. And since the cost controls are complicated, while the coverage increase is straightforward, many people don’t believe that the Democrats have done it. But to a degree unmatched in recent legislative history, they have.

    The Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit didn’t try to offset its costs. It just increased the deficit. And Medicare and Medicaid were passed in the days before the Congressional Budget Office even existed. For health-care reform, Democrats have gotten the toughest scorekeeper in Washington to bless their effort, and though many don’t think that’s good enough, it’s a lot more than anyone else has ever done.

    Make no mistake, if you’re concerned about you or your kids or their kids paying taxes, then this is progress.

  11. Robby Says:

    This whole health care debate has been very interesting to myself as it has opened so many doors and opened so many issues. Think about it, arguments over “national healthcare” have been raging on for decades, and it might actually be shoved through this time. We have seen tea partiers protest it (many of whom have never cared about politics before) in the streets, online, and even making thier points be well known during town hall debates.

    It should come as no suprise to anyone that Obama’s approval has weakened ever since this healthcare debate opened up early this past summer. But that shouldn’t phase our president. He should do what he believes is right no matter what the polls show. Unfortunately, this is not Obama’s bill. Its Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid’s healthcare bill.

    What I have been DISGUSTED with, yes, disgusted, is the way this whole bill was introduced, debated by both sides, and how it appears it will be passed into law. Healthcare reform is badly needed in this country. I don’t know of anyone who disagrees. In the past few months, we have learned what has plagued this country for oh so many years. Backroom deals, backroom meetings, reconciliation tactics, shutting out the other party because “they lost”.

    This current healthcare bill is more of the same. Shawn makes a good point about looking at the big picture. FDR’s New Deal programs were tweaked and corrupted over the years and as a result we now have a huge, mismanaged government with much too power. Where is the transparency that we the people were promised during the campaign?

    We The People voted for change back in November 2008. For some, that means simply removing a Republican and replacing with a Democrat. Or vice versa. Real Change will be exactly what Obama campaigned on- transparency, the end of these sick back room dealings, and so on.

    We The People are continuing to vote for change. Scott Browns overwhelimg victory to be “41st vote” in the MOST liberal state in the Union says enough. The bill that will be passed by Nancy and Reid wont change anything, good or bad. The answer to many problems today seems to be throw money at it, and get more government involved. Its not working.

    We The People need JOBS, and that should have been the focus over the past year. What good is healthcare (which I already have) too me when I dont have a job? The economy is still in the ruts, and even though Obama is exactly too blame for it, he is the President now. The stimulus bill that was passed over the summer didn’t stimulate anything except the size of our debt.

    At the end of the day, yes we did vote for change, and we continue to do so and will again this November. We havnt seen real change yet. This bill will fix about 20% of the problems with healthcare while simply adding others. The entire process of theis healthcare has been nasty, and the people are losing hope in thier government.

  12. Robby Says:


    and even though Obama is exactly too blame for it,

    This should read : and even though Obama ISNT exactly too blame for it,

  13. Mr. Lynne Says:

    “We have seen tea partiers protest it (many of whom have never cared about politics before) in the streets, online, and even making thier points be well known during town hall debates.”

    My take on the TPers and Brown is that the right’s SOP is fear and they have been ratcheting up the fear on this one just like in 93 (ironically since their 93 proposal looks a lot like this bill). Never underestimate the lengths to which the GOP will scare everyone into thinking the government can’t do anything. Everyone’s afraid to get under the hood of health care but it’s gotta get done.

    “Unfortunately, this is not Obama’s bill. Its Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid’s health care bill.”

    Hardly. Does anyone really think that Pelosi or Reid could write the bill they want and have it pass? Doubt it. It’s the legislature’s bill. You just don’t happen to like the current legislature overall.

    “What I have been DISGUSTED with, yes, disgusted, is the way this whole bill was introduced, debated by both sides, and how it appears it will be passed into law.”

    Bills get introduced, debated and passed. What’s to be disgusted about?

    “Backroom deals, backroom meetings, reconciliation tactics, shutting out the other party because “they lost”.”

    Deals are part of legislating. The deals that were objectionable were only in there because of the party of no and they aren’t in the final legislation precisely because of ‘majority should rule’ tactics. Also the other party was hardly ’shut out’. The process has bent over backwards every which way to invite them in. The final bill has tons of GOP influence in it, even if they aren’t voting for it. It is bipartisan in substance if not in the vote count. But this is largely owing to the GOP legislative tactic of ‘no’ more than any inherent problem with legislating in general.

    “Shawn makes a good point about looking at the big picture. FDR’s New Deal programs were tweaked and corrupted over the years and as a result we now have a huge, mismanaged government with much too power. Where is the transparency that we the people were promised during the campaign?”

    What are you talking about? What FDR’s new deal programs were tweaked and corrupted? Last I checked, everyone loves Medicare and Social Security, so are you talking about Hoover Dam? The TVA? I agree about transparency, but not in all of the legislative process - otherwise you’ll get a lot of posturing without a lot of the frank talk necessary for eking out a consensus.

    “The bill that will be passed by Nancy and Reid wont change anything, good or bad.”

    The bill is the largest attempt to tackle the Deficit in 20 years. It’s covers millions of people and saves money doing it. Its not perfect. Frankly it’d be better at cost controls and coverage if it weren’t for the constant attempts to placate the Right - which is wrong on cost controls and coverage.

    “The stimulus bill that was passed over the summer didn’t stimulate anything except the size of our debt.”

    Economists beg do differ, from both sides of the left/right divide.

  14. -b Says:

    I am really torn on this bill.

    I really don’t think we can afford it, and don’t really buy the cost savings being quoted.

    I also feel like once this bill kicks in my company will say “screw it” to offering coverage - pay the fine, and let the employees get their own insurance. I know if I were running a publicly owned company that would certainly be an action I would consider.

    But the current system really screws you if you are sick or don’t work for a big company or government - where most of the insurance is picked up by the employer.

  15. Mill Girl Says:

    I don’t see too many companies dropping coverage and taking the fine. If a company doesn’t offer insurance, it’s a huge incentive for their people to go somewhere else to work. As a result, they have major turnover and lower quality employees. Not to even mention the reduced productivity when employees get really sick since they aren’t getting preventive care. The PR hit a company would take alone would not be worth the savings. This bill may not be perfect but we have to do something!

  16. Jack Mitchell Says:

    Workers are not helpless victims. Don’t let the weight of your “bills” chain you down. If the company drops insurance, then you have good cause to demand a raise, as part of your compensation is in benefits.

    Plus, your company’s competition will look to attract talent by offering insurance. The market will correct for erroneous decisions by employers.

    I buy my own HC insurance. It isn’t easy, but with some smart shopping, choices in care and tax credits; I make it work for us. This HCR reform will deal me a stronger hand. “If” it passes.

  17. Mr. Lynne Says:

    -b, the GOP’s tactic here is to scare people. Certainly the numbers we’re talking about are large and when you dovetail that with the carefully crafted narrative that they’ve created over several decades that government can’t actually accomplish anything, it’s little wonder that people are scared of spending money.

    But as anyone Lowellian who’s ever upgraded the insulation in their house knows, sometimes spending can save you cash. Acting as if you can’t save money by spending it is just another scare tactic:

    “Only in Washington,” said Rep. Mike Pence, “can you spend a trillion dollars and say you’re gonna save the taxpayers’ money.”

    And only in Washington can such willful obtuseness be considered a professional attribute. You can believe that the savings in the Democratic plan will work as CBO thinks they will work, or you can disagree with that. But let’s not pretend there’s something complicated about the theory of spending money and saving money at the same time.

    I think the the cost question in this particular billhas been studied enough by the designers of legislation and that the savings are in there. The question really is, do you trust the CBO estimate. While there is uncertainty in any estimate like that, I definitely trust it enough to the point that I thin we should definitely pass the bill. Ezra:

    …It’s true that the CBO’s estimates of the health-care reform bill are uncertain. But that cuts both ways. A lot of very respected health-care economists and experts think the CBO is being way too conservative in how much the bill’s payment reforms will save. Historically, CBO has frequently underestimated the savings from health-care reform legislation. To use one example, they heavily overestimated the cost of the Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit. More examples here.

    Third, some argue that the problem with CBO’s estimates is that they can’t control for Congress. The actual evidence shows that Congress is much better at sticking to tough cost controls than people give them credit for. But beyond that, if Congress can’t do hard things, then everyone is screwed. Conservatives, who strongly believe in entitlement reform, are perhaps in the worst shape as that’s the hardest thing to do. Moreover, the health-care bill has the Medicare Commission, which explicitly makes it easier to do hard things because it takes some of the power away from Congress and gives it to independent experts. If you think Congress is the problem here, then this bill is the best answer anyone has yet come up with.

  18. M.L. Says:

    If it weren’t for the mandate, I would favor this bill. But Congress does not have the right to tell us we must buy health insurance (like Massachusetts).

  19. -b Says:

    First, let me explain that when I say “we can’t afford it” I mean that I don’t think we as a county can’t afford it. I look at both the Medicare Part D program and the Massachusetts Health Plan - both these programs are costing much more than we were told they would.

    Second, companies dropping coverage will happen. And if the economy stays in a state anywhere similar to what it is right now, employees will just suck it up, because jobs are scares. My health care plan at work went from the “Cadillac” Blue Cross Blue Shield plan to a lousy high deductible plan (who both myself and my co-workers don’t have a good thing to say about after only a few months on the plan). But nobody left the company when we switched plans. Nobody…

  20. Lynne Says:

    Much as I hate a mandate without the public option, the EXPERTS are right in that a mandate is necessary to “get everyone into the pool.” Unless we want the younger, less expensive patients to continue to opt out of being covered, hence making it more expensive for us older folks (do I include myself in that now?), a mandate is important. I just hate that the mandate will force everyone into the expensive, administration-heavy private market instead of giving us a REAL choice.

    Employers won’t drop coverage just because of this. THINK, -b! If they might favor dropping coverage because they will get hit with a smaller fine and it’s cheaper, than WTF was stopping them from dropping coverage when there was NO fine? That makes no sense. If they drop coverage or quality of coverage (and I hear you on what you’ve experienced), it’s got nothing to do with this bill and everything to do with the loss of power by the workers in this country. That is a whole other problem altogether, though not unrelated to the fact that this bill was watered down in favor of the insurance companies…the commonfolk be damned.

  21. Prince Charming Says:

    I am amazed. I watched millionaire after millionaire try to deny the poorest working-class families an opportunity to have health care. This can backfire big-time on the Republicans. Remember if the insurance companies hate it, it must be good. The republicans are obviously the party of the haves and have-mores. Read the bill, people. Understand that the individuals who make over 200k will have to pay more. Remember that AIG took our money and now use that money to lobby Congress on their behalf. AIG took money out of the pockets of those they’re trying to tuck it to. And if that doesn’t suck, I don’t know what Suck means.

  22. -b Says:

    219 in favor. It’s going to be interesting to see where this goes…

  23. Mill Girl Says:

    I’ve got to think that women who have health insurance are less likely to have an abortion than those who don’t but maybe I’m missing something? I’m cheering in the streets today. Finally the democrats got it together and did some governing. Yeah!!

  24. Right In Lowell Says:

    Seeing Nancy parade with the ‘hammer’ in hand made me think that she needed a Sickle to go with it. It was insulting to watch her compare this debacle to the civil rights movement.

  25. Jack Mitchell Says:


  26. Kami Says:

    Thank you to the Reverend Al Sharpton for finally telling it like it is. Barack Obama is a socialist that ran disguised as a liberal. And ya’ll fell for it. He bold faced admitted this is a socialist health care system. Last time I checked this was supposed to be a Democracy. I don’t know why you’re all so happy. Wait till this thing hits and you can’t get timely health care for your sick child. We’ll see how you feel when its your child that has to go without. Why aren’t the members of Congress thrown into this mess along with the rest of us? They’re exempt from it because its going to be a disaster. There isn’t a government program that doesn’t bleed money. Especially an entitlement program. Look at any of them: medicare, medicaid, welfare. The list goes on and on. Government does not run things efficiently.

  27. Lynne Says:

    Kami, you’re either a liar, or you fell for the lies. One or the other.

    This health care reform is so far from socialism, IN FACT it is VERY CLOSE to what the Republicans THEMSELVES proposed as an alternative to Clinton’s attempt to reform health care in the early 90s.

    Learn your damn history, and stop spreading lies.

    BTW, ALL the government run health care systems (Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA) ARE MORE EFFICIENT BY FAR than the private insurance run HMOs. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good LIE.

  28. Kim Says:

    “Wait till this thing hits and you can’t get timely health care for your sick child.”
    This line is a total joke. I have tried to get timely care twice in an emergency room for my daughters, once for my mom, and once for my dad who was having chest pains. The place was a zoo and I could hear the doctors telling patients that they would provide them minimal care and send them on their way because they had no health insurance. The ER is the only place that people with no insurance can be treated. We have kids getting throat cultures at the ER instead of a doctors office. Guess who is already paying for this? Our tax dollars will be much better served when people have a regular doctor and they are receiving preventative care.
    We now get to regulate where they get that care, force people that can afford insurance to buy it, and we are not allowing insurance companies to deny pre-existing conditions. Sounds great to me! Do you work somewhere that you never have to worry about health insurance?

  29. wouldntyouliketoknow Says:

    people are still going to go to the ER for the cough and sniffles, this isn’t going to stop them. it will most likely encourage them because if you go to the ER you can get procedures done immediately instead of having to wait months like we’ll be doing once this thing gets rolling. everyone better get their MRI’s/CT’s/surgical procedures booked now! ;0)

  30. Lynne Says:

    “wait months”? That depends. The GP practitioner situation in MA was an issue when health care reform here went into effect. If a bunch of people don’t go see a GP regularly, then suddenly can, there’s bound to be a supply-demand problem for a while. Until more doctors go into being a GP - which isn’t the most lucrative of doctor’s professions, you make more money being a specialist. However, our situation in MA won’t change much since it already has, and I’ve never had a problem going to see my doc’s in an emergency situation if need be for something like a cold or cough.

    Keep in mind that the health care reform rolls in gradually, as well, the exchanges won’t be up until 2014 if I recall, so there’s time to develop more capacity if that’s the issue. What’s more, again, is that it won’t affect us here in MA. Since we already insure like 97% of our populace, we’ve already hit our upper capacity issues.

    People don’t go to the ER for sniffles - no one wants to pay out of pocket for the ER. Sorry, that’s a myth. They go when they are bleeding to death, or have some other severe problem that MIGHT have been taken care of before it was an emergency. But they don’t go skipping off to the ER and rack up a bill just because.

    However, there’s an interesting increase in clinics catering to the mild problems like that, and that might be the way to increase capacity, though my understanding of those things is that they sort of give out prescriptions for antibiotics at the drop of a hat, which can’t be good for the problem of creating resistant strains. Antibiotics should be left for when they are needed.

  31. Mr. Lynne Says:

    Incidentally there are provisions in the bill to help get more doctors trained as well. They saw this coming.

  32. nextyearishere Says:

    Has Rush left for Costa Rica yet?

  33. -b Says:

    Came across an interesting fact today.

    When medicare was introduced in the 1960’s the CBO’s estimate for Medicare costs in 2010 were $60 billion. The actual costs in 2009 were $480 billion.

    What are the chances that this bill is going to save us money?

  34. Lynne Says:

    Can’t be worse than paying between $8,000 to $15,000 a year for a small family to some HMO which gives me 12-30% increases every year, gives me LESS quality, makes me pay more and more in copays, and puts lifetime limits on what they will pay out, doncha think?

  35. Mr. Lynne Says:

    That’s a 50 year projection. The CBO projection is 10 years. Big difference - most 50 year fiscal projections have pretty low certainties.

  36. wouldntyouliketoknow Says:

    lynne, please don’t talk about something stuff you don’t know anything about. I work in a hospital and see it first hand. People don’t go to the ER when “they are bleeding out”-that’s the myth.

    “A recent study by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation showed that 75% of non-emergency ER visits occurred because a regular physician was not available after hours, and half of these visits occurred because a timely appointment was unavailable.” (That’s a statistic from MA after 2006, when healthcare was mandated.)

    Stick to your conspiracy theories.

  37. Lynne Says:

    Wow, aren’t you all superior.

    You didn’t even read my damn comment, just want to jump all over it anyway. Wow, the big man there…

    I said, people don’t go to the ER for sniffles and coughs. Generally speaking, how does what you posted gainsay what I said? You have no indication WHAT people went to the ER FOR, just that they did. OK, fine, but again, WHAT did they go for?

    I had a severe attack of my PKD (which is what led to the diag) on a weekend. It was either commit seppuku from the pain, or go to the ER. If it’d been a week day yeah, I might have gone to a dr’s if I could, to avoid the $50 (now $75, joy joy) copay. I had been to the dr’s earlier in that week thinking I had a kidney infection, they would have been the first place I’d have called when I had the pain. That would, obviously, count in your statistic, wouldn’t it?

    My grandfather just had pneumonia, by the time they realized he was pretty ill, it was an emergency. No way he could wait even 4 hours for a doctor’s appointment. He went to the ER. That would count in your statistic too right? But no one in their right mind thinks it’s reasonable for you to get an appointment with your doctor in four hours. That’s what an ER is for.

    No one in their right mind wants to pay for an ER visit unless they can’t help it. Generally that means the “sniffle and cough” has gotten bad enough to the point you can’t ignore it anymore.

    Now, granted, there is (or was - I think things are evening out, from what I hear) a GP shortage when we went through health care reform here. Frankly, AGAIN, I will reiterate (why is I have to repeat myself over and over) that in MA, we’ll see very very very little change, since we already are at 97% insured. The bill itself has some mitigating language to try and build out capacity in advance of the 2014 implementation of the extended care and mandate. That will help, hopefully, mitigate some of the problem ahead of time. Gee, Democrats, thinking ahead…who’d a thunk you could actually PLAN?

  38. wouldntyouliketoknow Says:

    relax, lynne, i wasn’t attacking you or your family. i was making a general statement about ER’s. you said it yourself, they were emergencies. i’m assuming that the “non-emergent” tag would be applied to any patients that were seen in the ER but did not have to necessarily receive any treatment (maybe given a prescription) and sent home. i think you’re assuming that most people have to pay $50-75 per ER visit and I don’t believe that the case (with MassHealth). there are an numerous amounts of people that abuse the ER everyday. AGAIN, not YOU LYNNE (feel better?!). good lord, not everything is about you.

  39. Lynne Says:

    I’m just tired of people who don’t actually read what I write. You didn’t.

    When you say such crass things as “stick to your conspiracy theories” then in your next comment, say “it’s not an attack” or “it’s not personal,” you do know that sounds like hypocrisy, right?

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