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July 30, 2010

Oh, By All Means, Drill Baby Drill

by at 3:46 pm.

A pretty predictable but still disturbing outcome of the mishandling of the Gulf spill crisis by BP (via dkos):

Scientists have found signs of an oil-and-dispersant mix under the shells of tiny blue crab larvae in the Gulf of Mexico, the first clear indication that the unprecedented use of dispersants in the BP oil spill has broken up the oil into toxic droplets so tiny that they can easily enter the foodchain.

Marine biologists started finding orange blobs under the translucent shells of crab larvae in May, and have continued to find them “in almost all” of the larvae they collect, all the way from Grand Isle, Louisiana, to Pensacola, Fla. — more than 300 miles of coastline — said Harriet Perry, a biologist with the University of Southern Mississippi’s Gulf Coast Research Laboratory.

Good god. What have we done to our planet?? We need renewable replacements for oil and coal right now. Of course, our do-nothing Senate (thanks to Senator Brown and the Nelson/Landreu wing of the Dems) will produce no useful energy policy bill in the foreseeable future.

This, on top of the news that over a million acres of the high-altitude pine trees in the region of Yellowstone are dying from an infestation of beetle, likely due to climate change.

Sometimes, I am so glad I do not have any kids whose future I have to worry about.

25 Responses to “Oh, By All Means, Drill Baby Drill”

  1. Lilly pad Says:

    Why blame Senator Brown for this? The Dems have control of both houses and the Presidency. Although I agree we as a nation need to eliminate our reliance for oil and other fossil fuels for both environmental and security reasons we can’t change the system overnight. How do you expect millions of Americans to afford retrofitting their households when they can’t find a job and put food on the table? Another government funded program I assume?

    Out of curiosity Lynne, how do you heat and power your home? Do you use fossil fuels? Do you turn the electricity on or do you run your computer by solar power? Have you made the investment into solar panels and possibly geo-thermo heating for your home? The reality is it will be a long long time until the entire U.S., especially the Northeast, can become independent of fossil fuels. In the intervening time we have to do what we can to locate new oil and gas reserves to keep our homes heated and our country working. And unfortunately that means drilling. What happened in the gulf is a travesty and a complete breakdown by the regulatory agencies. That one horrible incident cannot drive the entire debate although it should have an impact. We need to look at the industry’s safety record in its totality.

    Maybe the Dems should allow for expanded exploration of the shale oil reserve in the west instead of impeding its development. It’s on land so not chance of an ocean catastrophe and could fuel the nation for a hundred years if we could unlock the key to developing it.

  2. joe from Lowell Says:

    Lilly pad Says:
    July 31st, 2010 at 8:16 am
    Why blame Senator Brown for this? The Dems have control of both houses and the Presidency.

    The Dems do not have control of both houses. The archaic Senate rules allow a minority of 41 to stop business, and Scott Brown keeps joining that minority to block reform.

    How do you expect millions of Americans to afford retrofitting their households when they can’t find a job and put food on the table?

    The work retrofitting homes would produce millions of jobs, and the long-term savings would pay for themselves, just as the new energy projects the city is doing will pay for themselves. BTW, that’s not my opinion, that’s the position of a private corporation that has bet millions of dollars on that outcome.

    “Maybe the Dems should allow for expanded exploration of the shale oil reserve in the west instead of impeding its development….could fuel the nation for a hundred years if we could unlock the key to developing it.”

    It would take more water to “unlock” that shale oil than exists in the interior west, including all of that water which is currently being used by the human population for agriculture and drinking water.

  3. Maggie Says:

    Quick comment - How about the guy by the Rez that put in solar power only to find out the city now plans a tower that will put his solar panels in the shade.
    They are working on the oil in shale bit. I found out 4 years ago that I had inherited a very small portion of a small portion of mineral rights in Van Buren County, Arkansas where there are several active shale fields. ( from my great-aunt who died in 1955 and never said a word in her will). It’s worth about 100 a month. But hey -Manna from heaven as my 95 year old uncle says.
    I would like to see more done with solar and wind - but am not informed anough to know how or where.

  4. Lynne Says:

    Why the f are we talking about shale ANYTHING?? Stop drilling. PERIOD. Are we stupid?

    Wait, don’t answer that…

    Forget half of today’s wildlife (or more). We won’t stop burning fossil fuels until basically, we’ve burned up half the planet. I really hate humans sometimes. You think this is just a game? The beetles killing the pines or the polar bears drowning for lack of sea ice, that’s just the beginning, kids. This situation has feedback, and mother nature, she’s destroyed civilizations before.

    I hope you don’t have any children. Their future is going to suck. Forget your grandkids.

  5. Lynne Says:

    By the way, anyone who wants solar on their own roof, do yourself a favor, and get a quote on the solar leasing program from Gro Solar. You can get solar on your roof and a locked in price on your electricity for 20 years for damned cheap.

  6. Maggie Says:

    Solar is a great idea - just make sure the city doesn’t plan on building water tower that could shade it- and then there are the neighbors trees. Sigh. And I have good roof for it too.

  7. Robby Says:

    This country is in desperate need of an alternative energy source, or many alternatives. The sad reality is that those are years away from happening yet the more we continue to dodge the problem, the longer the problem will play out. Any sustainable national energy alternative - nuclear, wind, solar, whatever the case may be, is years away from being built, for a complex of issues. These things don’t just happen overnight. Congress isn’t debating this issue as seriously as I think we as a nation as a whole need to come up with aways to being dependant on oil.

    What plagues me is the meaningless partisan politics that seems to get away. Not only have we as a nation failed to solve this issue, we can’t even have a debate on it. Senator Brown is somehow responsible for the nation not having an alternative energy source? Ted Kennedy and our still Senator John Kerry (remember him!) have been leading members of Congress for what seems like forever. This problem is not a new problem. If the “great” Teddy K. couldn’t solve the problem, what makes you think the truck-driving senator of mere months in office to solve it!?

    For the past 4 years since the 06 elections, Congress has been controlled by the “progressive” wing of the Democratic Party. Nancy Pelosi was going to run the most “ethical” Congress’s in history, yet more and more of them from both parties were indighted, resigned in disgust. The current 11% approval rating of Congress speaks for itself. We need an intelligent, open-minded and fair debate in this country on seeking alternative energy sources. It simply has not happened under our recent leadership, and that must change.

    As for my grandkids? Hah! The way is country is spending, my KIDS will be in debt for life! It must be paid off at some point and it just keeps growing and growing and growing…

  8. Lynne Says:

    Years away? I call bologna. We’re only as far away from it as putting it as a damned priority!

    Look at all the breakthroughs in renewabls lately. All because of a minuscule switch in federal/state policy. Imagine what really doing it right would net us? In 10 years, we could be more than halfway to killing fossil fuels as our energy source. I really believe that. And, we’d be creating good sustainable jobs as a side effect!

    This damned country went to the moon! You know how much money we spent doing that?? You know how much money we spent winning WWII?? We can do this, and soon, if we want. The problem is, the corporations like BP run the country and they don’t want change. They hold our politics hostage with their inordinate elite levels of cash.

    “Senator Brown is somehow responsible for the nation not having an alternative energy source?”

    Yes, he is stalling and destroying the current energy bill, which had a chance in the beginning of being decent, and now probably won’t even be passed. That is a very real problem. It is also the problem with the so-called “moderate” Dems - the Nelson-Landreau wing of the party. Toss ‘em all overboard. Here’s a dirty little secret, Robby: In no way at all is the Congress controlled by the progressives. Not even a tiny bit. If it were, hon, we’d have a public option in the health care law (hell, we’d have single payer), an energy bill that killed some of the subsidies we give Big Oil and that being used to pay for a new Manhattan Project on renewable energy.

    If Kerry and Kennedy had really been in power and in charge, we would have been halfway there already. Make no mistake. But they aren’t in charge. Nothing decent can pass the Senate because of the obstructionist Republicans and the idiot conservative Dems who roost there like so many chickens.

  9. Tom Says:

    The only real knock on solar electric panels is that the manufacturing process produces incredibly toxic waste. I think dealing with the waste is part of the high cost.
    What about mass producing medium sized windmills? 10 - 20 foot diameter units could be installed in many places

  10. Lynne Says:

    Tom - there are some breakthroughs on that as well. I suspect in 10 years they will be easier, cheaper, and less toxic to create.

    Sooner if we put some serious heft behind it.

    Windmills - there are some really interesting things being done there. REALLY interesting. I heard about this one the other day:

    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/03/saul-griffith-and-energy-generating-kites-at-ted-video.php

  11. Say Whaaaat? Says:

    “The work retrofitting homes would produce millions of jobs, and the long-term savings would pay for themselves, just as the new energy projects the city is doing will pay for themselves.”

    Wasn’t Lily’s original question about how individuals would be able to afford retrofitting their homes? Still waiting for an answer to that one. While doing so, let’s go on to this little diddy from Lynne:

    “If Kerry and Kennedy had really been in power and in charge, we would have been halfway there already. Make no mistake. But they aren’t in charge. Nothing decent can pass the Senate because of the obstructionist Republicans and the idiot conservative Dems who roost there like so many chickens.”

    Um, haven’t the Dems been in overwhelming control of Massachusetts for decades now? Didn’t Teddy Kennedy sit in Democratically controlled Congresses under Presidents Carter for four years and Clinton for two years? Weren’t fuel prices under Carter astronomical?

    Yet it took Uncle Teddy’s death to finally move Cape Wind forward. I suppose that’s Scott Brown and those nasty, obstructionist Republicans’ fault, too.

    Lynne, you should write comedy.

  12. joe from Lowell Says:

    Wasn’t Lily’s original question about how individuals would be able to afford retrofitting their homes? Still waiting for an answer to that one.M

    Let’s go to the tape: How do you expect millions of Americans to afford retrofitting their households when they can’t find a job and put food on the table? Another government funded program I assume?

    Did you catch it that time, or are you still waiting?

    1. Government helps people afford improvements, perhaps through low-interest loans.

    2. Homeowners use loans to pay for improvements, creating millions of jobs.

    3. Homeowners save money on utilities, pay back loans, come out ahead.

    Just like this fine city is doing with the energy improvement contract it entered into.

    “Um, haven’t the Dems been in overwhelming control of Massachusetts for decades now?”

    Yes, which is why Massachusetts has some of the most progressive energy-efficiency policies in the country.

  13. joe from Lowell Says:

    Didn’t Teddy Kennedy sit in Democratically controlled Congresses under Presidents Carter for four years and Clinton for two years? Weren’t fuel prices under Carter astronomical?

    I see you already write comedy.

  14. Lynne Says:

    Go. Get. A. Quote. From. Gro. Solar. Goddamn, people.

    As little as $500 for getting solar on your roof! It’s not rocket science.

    It’d be already done on my roof if I didn’t need $1000+ of beam work done to support it.

  15. BPC Says:

    It is very easy to breathlessly exclaim that “we need to stop using oil NOW!” on a blog, but that does nothing to change the fact that fossil fuels are currently the only way to meet the energy needs of the planet.

    The government could spend trillions a year trying to find a “holy grail” of renewable energy and it would still take decades to become widely available.

    Lynne mentions that she “really hates humans sometimes”. It shows, because in her world a significant portion of the developing world’s population would starve or die of exposure because of a lack of energy. But hey, what right do the Chinese and Indians have to a better life when crab larvae are at risk?

  16. joe from Lowell Says:

    Speaking of the Chinese, China just committed to $750 billion alternative energy program.

    People who are working to make sure that no alternatives to dwindling fossil fuel supplies are developed have absolutely no right to stand on a soap box and lecture others about the well-being of those in the developing world.

    We either develop alternative energy sources, or we condemn China and India to a future in which their only means of development comes from competing with us for ever-more-costly fossil fuels.

    It is you, BPC, who are advocating a path that will doom the developing world to stagnation.

  17. Tom Says:

    All this wishful thinking of energy alternatives reminds me of the description of fusion. “IT will always be the energy of the future”.

  18. joe from Lowell Says:

    All this wishful thinking about not developing alternative energy reminds me of the passenger pigeon.

    They’re think enough to blot out the sun, and always will be.

  19. waittilnextyr Says:

    We have a great fusion generator in the Sun.

    Its potential dwarfs the energy that we obtain from burning fossil fuels.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth’s_energy_budget

    The problem to be solved is to efficiently capture that on a daily basis.

  20. waittilnextyr Says:

    Try this, it’s more direct.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

  21. Mary Says:

    It seems to me Lynne that based on your posting “As little as $500 for getting solar on your roof! It’s not rocket science.
    It’d be already done on my roof if I didn’t need $1000+ of beam work done to support it.” you can’t afford it either. Yet you expect others, many of whom don’t have jobs, to come up with the funds. The cost to retrofit a home for green energy is largely cost prohibitive. In many cases because of exactly what your own personal experience was. Older homes cannot handle the load on their roofs. In densly populated cities in the Northeast there aren’t areas in backyards to set up solar panel fields.

    Personally, I feel very strongly that we need to develop alternative energy sources. However, they must be cost effective and not prohibitive. They must also be very efficient and provide enough energy with a short rate of return to entice people to expend the funds (if they have them). Until that happens people are not going to switch over.

  22. joe from Lowell Says:

    Yet you expect others, many of whom don’t have jobs, to come up with the funds.

    No, no, no, don’t you understand this? The cost of the installation only requires a loan program, which can be funded via government bonds, not taxing anyone else. In turn, that bond can be paid back just by having Lynne use the money she saves in energy costs to pay back the government.

    No other person’s need to put up a dime. Lynne, the environment, the government, and the taxpayer all come out ahead in this deal, as long as the value of the energy savings exceeds the cost of the installation (plus the interest the government has to pay on the bonds) over the 10, 20, or 30 year term of the government bond.

    We know that energy projects can yield sufficient savings to cover this cost, just by looking at the successful business model of Dominion Energy, the company that has guaranteed the City’s investment in its own energy upgrades.

  23. Say Whaaaat? Says:

    No, no, no, Joe. You are the one who doesn’t understand this.

    Forget for a minute who is going to pick up the cost of the installation. Who is going to pick up all the other costs like Lynne’s $1,000 beam work? Or how about all the other necessary costs for those with homes that require much, much more than just beam work and costs in the tens of thousands of dollars? Tenament buildings? Apartment complexes? Who picks up the cost to commercial properties and businesses, the governemnt again? Do you have any clue how much money you’re asking the government to pick up.

    That’s assuming its that easy to begin with. If we could just snap our fingers and create a government program that could REALISTICALLY accomplish this, don’t you think we’d have already done it?

    Lynne, thank you for confirming what we all know to be true about you and liberals. It’s all about do as I say not as I do. Instead of putting your dollars where your mouth is and leading by example, you expect everyone else to pay the freight but you’re exempt from it.

    What a fine tradition. Uncle Teddy wants to reduce America’s dependence on foreigh oil, but not if it means his precious cape property has a view of windmills. Johnny Boy Kerry wants the rich to pay more in taxes and close all those loopholes, except when the rich happen to have a yacht they can hide in Rhode Island to save their “fair share.” And now you, with the quote that perfectly captures what you’re all about.

    “Go. Get. A. Quote. From. Gro. Solar. Goddamn, people.”

    Except, of course, when you yourself get that quote and it involves a little extra cash. Too, too funny!

  24. joe from Lowell Says:

    “Forget for a minute who is going to pick up the cost of the installation. Who is going to pick up all the other costs like Lynne’s $1,000 beam work? Or how about all the other necessary costs for those with homes that require much, much more than just beam work and costs in the tens of thousands of dollars? Tenament buildings? Apartment complexes? Who picks up the cost to commercial properties and businesses, the governemnt again? Do you have any clue how much money you’re asking the government to pick up.”

    In each of these cases, the cost of the construction and the energy savings can be compared. The projects that make economic sense should go forward, and the projects that don’t shouldn’t. What’s the problem here?

    “If we could just snap our fingers and create a government program that could REALISTICALLY accomplish this, don’t you think we’d have already done it?”

    There are such programs. The stimulus bill, for instance, included loan programs for such projects. Unfortunately, people driven more by partisanship than concern for the common good do everything they can to stifle them. Don’t you just hate people like that, who let their petty resentments get in the way of rational thought about policy?

    “Lynne, thank you for confirming what we all know to be true about you and liberals”

    Oh. I see. It’s all a game about what sorts of people you dislike. What a wonderful reason to leave a screwed-up world to your kids.

  25. openyoureyes Says:

    Look at the truth, the fact is this is no where near the catastrophe it was made out to be. Oil leaks in huge quantities from the ocean floor everyday and the environment handles it just like it has here. I remember the dire predictions of oil flooding the entire gulf, all of Florida and following the gulf stream and saturating the east coast. None of this happened. The recently deposed head of BP said this was not going to be a huge problem at the outset and he lost his job because he was not “sensitive” enough. The messiah even swam with his daughter in the pristine, unpolluted waters (although he still won’t allow drilling) This fool has ruined the economy of the gulf coast and the coutry in general. You talk about all the proof of contamination, yesterday shrimp boats were allowed to go back to work. All is well, or will be soon what a shame for the environmentalists that this did not turn out to be anywhere near the disaster for which they had hoped. At last count only 2 marine mammals have been found dead and only a few dozen birds. I know, even one is too many and we should all go back to living in caves, are we allowed to use fire if we do because that may increase our carbon footprint.

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